Muddy Waters

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  Do You Believe In ANYTHING That The Witnesses Taught At This Point In Your Life?

  by minimus in

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  for example, they pride themselves in what they don't believe such as immortal souls, the trinity, hellfire, etc.. some exjws still believe it is the "truth" and support the basics.. .

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  Muddy Waters

  I believe their insistence on punctuality is a good thing. It still always surprises me when I go to what would be termed "worldy" venues or presentations, concerts, etc., that they almost never start on time!
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  The bible is a letter to the 144,000

  by sosoconfused in

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  i don't really remember where i heard this... either at a public talk or a district convention or c.o.

  visit or something.. .

  my question is, has anyone else in there time with the org heard that said?

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  Muddy Waters

  Yes, I have heard this as well - that the Bible was written specifically for the "144,000". The rest of us schmucks don't count.... unless we're in close association with the remnant of those 144,000 remaining on the earth today and doing their bidding and following their specific instructions to us as they mediate between us and God. *blah!!* Total ick. Total bullcrap.
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  Ugh. Attended a funeral recently at the KH...

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i can't believe how horrid this experience was.

  first, the thought of going into a kh again filled me with total anxiety and even nausea.. .

  second, couldn't believe how much time it took to get ready to get there.

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  Muddy Waters

  I can't believe how horrid this experience was. First, the thought of going into a KH again filled me with total anxiety and even nausea.
  
  Second, couldn't believe how much time it took to get ready to get there. The whole dress-up thing... can't believe I used to do this 3 times a week!
  
  And third, the awful KH experience itself. Since I'm in an "inactive" (read: faded) state, people will still talk to me, but I found their approach was really creepy and aggressive. It was like an INTERROGATION, full of questions to determine my "status" and activity (or not). Like, "Oh, how nice to see you! What KH are you in now? How is [spouse]? How are your kids? Are they going to meetings? Are they still in the truth?" Almost EVERY single JW that spoke with me was like this.
  
  When I said, "Well, we're doing fine, we're all very happy. Haven't been to the meetings for a long time, though." It all changed. Their attitudes, expressions. One "brother" even looked dismayed and said, "Why aren't you going to meetings anymore? Do you want to DIE? Don't you want to LIVE??"
  
  It was a really creepy experience, and the funeral talk was, of course, the standard outline (read: advertisement) for the Org.
  
  The KH itself now reminds me of a funeral home. Sterile. No natural light or windows. The brothers standing at the entrance like bodyguards. The whole horrid atmosphere of control and regulated everything.

  It was good to be out of there. It's good to be out, period.
  
  
  
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  Time of Trouble: Knocking on the Door of Jehovah's Witnesses (interesting article)

  by ldrnomo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  found this article on gawker.com.

  check it out i'd like to get your thoughts:.

  http://gawker.com/5986407/time-of-trouble-knocking-on-the-door-of-the-jehovahs-witnesses?post=57721553.

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  Muddy Waters

  Oh my, she is so bang on about KH's being like funeral homes!!
  
  And why don't KH's have windows? I was once told it was because too many KH windows get vandalized (no surprise there). Is this really the reason?
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  I MADE A HUGE MISTAKE

  by iclone in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

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  Muddy Waters

  Could someone please direct me to the book and pages which were "studied" at this meeting?
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  YEARBOOK 2013 :New Video :Dedicated to Pterist & Irondork

  by raymond frantz in

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  what the letter really means.

  the letter addressed to all jws in the new yearbook 2013 would make george orwell proud .their closing words " we love you very much" shows with what psycopaths we have to deal with .especially dedicated to pterist and irondork that guided me to the right direction .please like and subscribe ,the more you do the more likely the video to go higher on youtube'slist .my last video reached 33 countries .

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  Muddy Waters

  You know what I now find especially creepy about the GB's letter to the 2013 YB -- they end it with: "your brothers, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses."
  
  Well, that closing "your brothers, the GB..." isn't even PERSONAL. This letter of "love" and "encouragement" is signed by a COMMITTEE. A freakin' committee!! And this committe, this GOVERNING BODY, **LOVES** us very much.
  
  They can't even sign their names. Because then, you know, we might start thinking that mere men are leading us.... (well, not us as in leading us anymore!)
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  Wouldn't it be cool if the pope did an expose thing like Ray Franz did?!

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. social
  2. current

  wouldn't it be cool if the pope did an expose thing about the catholic church and all the heirarchies/inside secrets, etc., like ray franz did when he exposed the inner workings at the highest level of the jw religion?

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  Muddy Waters

  Wouldn't it be cool if the pope did an expose thing about the Catholic church and all the heirarchies/inside secrets, etc., like Ray Franz did when he exposed the inner workings at the highest level of the JW religion?!
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  Scriptures the JW's "believe" but don't follow....

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "knowledge puffs up, but love builds up" (sorry, not sure where this one is in bible).

  "do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthing man, to whom no salvation belongs.

  (psalms 146:4-6 or something like that).

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  Muddy Waters

  "knowledge puffs up, but love builds up" (sorry, not sure where this one is in Bible)

  "do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthing man, TO WHOM NO SALVATION BELONGS." !! (Psalms 146:4-6 or something like that)
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  Watchtower Library 2012 - download

  by BlindersOff1 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://depositfiles.com/files/spvmcrmks.

  know how to use an .iso file to do the install?.

  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+mount+an+iso.

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  Muddy Waters

  I also use a Mac... do any of the above English-version downloads work with a Mac?
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  A picture so outrageous, it deserves its own thread...

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean no disrespect to sd-7 or his fine thread on which this picture has already featured, but i think it is just so ridiculous that it deserves a thread all of its own.. lurkers and apologists, this is how your precious organization views itself.... behold the madness.... .

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  cedars.

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  Muddy Waters

  *marking*
  
  This is super-creepy. It boggles my mind now that I'm "free" to see the depths of the organization-worship and elevation of man (who are supposed to be servants) and the way they kick Jesus to the curb!
  
  How could I not see this for so long..... Is the org becoming more "org-oriented" than usual or am I finally just seeing it for what it is??